Im sorry to hear your story. Then we hurt each other. Unable to forget it? and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. Hi!! We are mainly connected by a love of art, music and film. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Thank you for this series of articles! Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. In astrology, the Twelfth House governs the unconscious, addiction, jails, higher self, and psychic abilities. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. Is Your experience the same? This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. Similarly, the 4th house is used for Gemini, and information is extracted by reading it in the Natal charts. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. 13 . Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. Id appreciate any information. What to make of this? Together we share a Mars 12th. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. He literally proposed to me the night we met. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. How that manifests depends on other aspects. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . So beautifully written Dawn. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. Hi Dawn. I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. Just as the Sun is the Luminary of the day, the Moon is the Luminary of the night. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Your article is amazing! When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. Whatever I told you would not have a context. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Just a knowing if you will. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . I think this is SO true . Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. 08.05.20. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. AT ALL. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. Thank you. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. along with Juno. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). Gilly. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. We are both married similar age kids. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Aghh! The ego thing is very true. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. Astro-Seek.com Seek and meet people born on the same date as you . Im glad youre enjoying it. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. Something is whispering in their ears. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. Natal Birth Chart Meaning. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. The area of the 12th house in which Black Moon Lilith makes a person experience their unconscious fears, pain, shame, and denial relates to their spiritual transcendence, self-undoing, and their ability to dive deeper into the mysteries of life.. That is why this article discusses a potentially enlightening topic. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) . Regine. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? A very painful and challenging connection. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. It also governs much, much more, however. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. Im so confused by this mix! I read your article and its really touching! We were happy plutonicay together. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? We feel that very beautiful in our life! When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. Thanks Dawn! Saturn and Pluto also play their part. Your email address will not be published. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. Most of my relationships are like that . We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. or sth. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. They rip the rug from under you every other day. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. And it KILLS ME! The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. My english is not very good. In composite we have north node in 12th. Dear Dawn, PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. . i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? Thanks. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. And what does it mean our 12th. It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. For whatever reason, you may have a secret relationship . Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy. But thank you for helping me face reality. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. Lilith in the 12th House. Conjunct the composite 1st House cusp, it can be difficult to separate mutual fantasy from reality regarding the identity of the relationship. He didnt want to commit/marry. Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. Mine is conjunct with his moon. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. thank you for post! I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. what can we do here? I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. Lilith in 8 th house composite. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. Thank You so much for Your answer! Youre a poet of poets. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. (Because the moon's orbit is elliptical, it has two center . In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. That may mean leaving you behind. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) should i run away from this relationship? The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn.